tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8991273897219965492.post1315820222906446098..comments2012-10-09T02:03:50.068+08:00Comments on extreme machoism: Lina Joy can go fly kiteKucing Mafiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01605878547178738542noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8991273897219965492.post-85583703385413269962007-06-04T19:56:00.000+08:002007-06-04T19:56:00.000+08:00I heard, different state got different punishment ...I heard, different state got different punishment for syariah court. This could be true coz Sultan considered as Ketua Agama. Different state has different sultan.Kucing Mafiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01605878547178738542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8991273897219965492.post-90575217717712603432007-06-04T19:54:00.000+08:002007-06-04T19:54:00.000+08:00Dear tankiasu,After doing some googling, I think t...Dear tankiasu,<BR/><BR/>After doing some googling, I think there is a flaw in my comment earlier. For apostasy type 1, converted and keep as secret, when I mentioned hudud did not punish them, I acctualy could be wrong.<BR/><BR/>In Islam, there is only 1 punishment - death. There was direct verses in Quran, but we Malaysian Muslim believe in both Quran and Hadith. Hadith is refer to our prophet words and acts.<BR/><BR/>I found this hadith<BR/><BR/>"Dari Ibnu Mas'ud ra berkata bahwa Rasulullah SAW bersabda, "Tidak halal darah seorang muslim yang bersyahadat bahwa tidak ada tuhan selain Allah dan bahwa Aku adalah utusan Allah, kecuali dengan salah satu dari tiga hal: [1] Seorang yang telah menikah namun berzina, [2] Membunuh nyawa dengan tidak hak dan [3] Orang yang meninggalkan agamanya (Islam) serta meninggalkan jamaah. (HR. Bukhari Muslim)"<BR/><BR/>In simple words, death penalty for (1) married person involved in adultery (2) taking life another person without good reason (3) Converted muslim.<BR/><BR/>Many people, even myself questioning why death penalty when we were told in Islam, people are free to follow what they belief?<BR/><BR/>http://www.eramuslim.com/ustadz/haj/6524101309-negara-syariah-murtad-harus-dihukum-mati.htm?rel<BR/><BR/>From above website,<BR/><BR/>1) Non muslim are free to practise their belief, and cannot be force to join Islam.<BR/><BR/>2) However, once converted to Islam, or born as a muslim, the above right forfeited, and death await for those who converted.<BR/><BR/>I'm not quite sure about jail sentence. Normally it would be either pay or prison or both, depend on judge.Kucing Mafiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01605878547178738542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8991273897219965492.post-26705889495144363792007-06-04T16:32:00.000+08:002007-06-04T16:32:00.000+08:00Yeah I heard about what the hudud law talks about ...Yeah I heard about what the hudud law talks about the issue of apostasy. No doubt we the non-Muslims are extremely glad that PAS is not in power now, although there is alot that the current govt can do to improve this country (not only on religious issues, but economic and social as well).<BR/><BR/>But are you sure the Syariah Court will only fine her for apostasy and not jail sentence as well? From what I heard from my other Muslim friends, it is almost impossible for the Syariah Court to "approve" apostasy.<BR/><BR/>It would be great if you could let me know the chapters and verses in the Al-Quran or Hudud Law that involves apostacy, so I can check them out.<BR/><BR/>Yes just like you, I love constructive and non-offensive discussion like this. :-)<BR/><BR/>Have a good day ahead.tankiasuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125965685161737179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8991273897219965492.post-74348339208281558322007-06-04T11:11:00.000+08:002007-06-04T11:11:00.000+08:00First of all, thank you for your comment. I apprec...First of all, thank you for your comment. I appreciate good conversation.<BR/><BR/>Allow me to explain how much tolerant was made in this case.<BR/><BR/>According to hudud law, actual Islam law, there are 3 type of apostasies and punishment for 1.<BR/><BR/>1) Those who converted and kept secret from public, except family.<BR/><BR/>Hudud Law - they are free to continue their life.<BR/><BR/>2) Converted and make known to public via any media.<BR/><BR/>Hudud Law - given period to convert back to Islam, failed to do so, death await.<BR/><BR/>3) Converted and fight against Islam.<BR/><BR/>Hudud Law - Instant Death<BR/><BR/>So how does it sound, scary is it. And these are the law PAS trying to implement and Lina Joy - could have been RIP by now if PAS rules the country.<BR/><BR/>All we ask for her to step in syariah law, fill up form, get proper documents as a proved of apostasy, pay RM5000, take the form to JPN and get your Islam status deleted.<BR/><BR/>But no, she want to make life miserable.<BR/><BR/>Kepercayaan kepada tuhan, but kedaulatan undang-undang harus di jaga.Kucing Mafiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01605878547178738542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8991273897219965492.post-57389819262688199002007-06-04T10:11:00.000+08:002007-06-04T10:11:00.000+08:00My fellow countrymen, I am not accusing the govt/c...My fellow countrymen, I am not accusing the govt/country of intolerant against Christians or Hindus. I am just merely against taking away an individual's right to choose her/his own faith/religion. You said<BR/><BR/>"I for one don’t give a hoot about this Azalina binti Jailani if she so wants to be a Kaffir. It’s her life ; it’s her soul."<BR/><BR/>But the court ruled that she can't change her religion legally without the consent of Syariah Court. And we know that it is practically impossible for her to get that from Syariah Court. Not only that, now she might even be charged by the Islamic court for apostasy?!<BR/><BR/>This is the issue that we are concerned about. Not about us the Christians or other non-Muslims. We are talking about the right of an individual to choose his/her own path of faith/religion. <BR/><BR/>Believe me when I tell you how grateful we are for being granted the religious freedom that we are enjoying in this beloved country of ours. But we would also like to see this privilege given to the Malays as well.<BR/><BR/>I am sorry if my posting sounds very biased and inaccurate to you. It was not my intention to offend any Muslim readers.<BR/><BR/>I would love to see all of us regardless of race, religion and wealth, getting the same privileges, opportunities, and work together to make this country a better place. Malaysia boleh!tankiasuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15125965685161737179noreply@blogger.com